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When was the last time you changed your mind about anything?
That’s one of the questions that’s asked in my conversation with Reggie Dabbs and John Driver, authors of Not So Black and White: An Invitation to Honest Conversations about Race and Faith.

In this conversation, we talk about what prompted these two friends to write this book together and what we can all learn if we take the position of humility as individuals, as Christians, and as a nation.

Plus, we talk:
—What keeps us from ACTUALLY loving our nation
—One simple action to take when you don’t know where to start learning
—The history of race in our systems
—What our responsibility as Jesus’ disciples is


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Nicole Unice is a popular author and communicator who is passionate about facilitating environments of safety and vulnerability so that individuals and communities can courageously identify the obstacles keeping them from maximum potential.

Nicole lives in Richmond, VA with her husband, three children, and two dogs!

In her books, Nicole is passionate about making transformation attainable and accessible to people in all stages of life. As a coach, she brings clarity and courage for individuals and teams as they pursue a preferred future.  As a speaker, Nicole brings both wit and wisdom to the platform, with an honest and vulnerable approach that appeals to both faith and leadership environments alike.

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